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Introduction
[Intro] [Initial / Final] [Proposals] [Player Info] [Secret Rule]
Thought Of The Day
Eleusis Nomic is officially closed due to lack of interest. The idea was interesting, the problem being that due to such a vast array of possible Secret Rules, it became difficult to get any proposals passed. The following is the complete listing of the rules, proposals, and point/player logs.
-- Joe Java (Scorekeeper)
Initial Rules
[Intro] [Initial / Final] [Proposals] [Player Info] [Secret Rule]
Game Meta Rules
- Each game will have a Scorekeeper whos duty is to maintain the web pages, and update the proposals, rules, and other relavant game state
in a timely fashion. The scorekeeper for this game is Joel Ricker (joejava@dragoncat.net), but should be referred to as Joe Java.
- A new player may join the game at any time by informing the Scorekeeper via email of their desire to do so.
- Each round has a God who creates one secret rule at the beginning of the round.
- The winner of the previous round is God for the next round.
- The God may not change during the round.
- The winner of the game is the player with the highest score at the end of all rounds.
- Each round consists of turns. During each turn, each player may submit one proposal (or series of proposals)
- A player submits a proposal (or series of proposals) by sending them via email to the Scorekeeper.
- No rule may be created which makes further play impossible.
- No proposed rule may alter, repeal or create any Meta rule (except as specified in the Eleusis Meta Rule 11), but may impose further restrictions. For example, a proposal to change the number of points required to end the round to -20 would be rejected, but imposing the creation of a gameboard and a specific room which must be occupied while having 0 points would be legal (assuming it was legal by all other rules).
- To preserve the Scorekeeper's sanity, all proposals for a turn must be submitted before 5 PM PST on the day the turn ends, the prophet's predictions must be submitted before 5 PM PST on the following day, and God's acceptance or rejection must be submitted by 5 PM PST on the second day following.
Eleusis Meta Rules
- All players begin the game with a score of 0. A new player upon joining the game will start with a score of 0.
- Each player begins the Round with 14 points.
- The round ends when one (or more) players reach 0 points during a turn.
- Upon the end of a round, all Game Rules and the current Secret Rule are repealed, leaving a pristine slate of only the Meta Rules for the next round. Any game attributes not described by the Meta Rules are removed as well.
- A proposal will be accepted if it meets the following criteria and rejected otherwise:
- The proposal is legal according to the rules in existance at that time.
- The proposal does not create a rule which duplicates (in the
judgement of the God for the Round) any existing rule.
- When a player has a proposal accepted, that player recieves -1 point.
- When a player has a proposal rejected, that player recieves 2 points.
- A player may submit up to four proposals simultaneously, however, if any proposal in the series is rejected, all proposals in the series are rejected, with the appropriate consequences.
- When a round ends, score is tallied as follows:
a) Each player recieves the difference between their point total and the highest point total of all players for that round in score points.
b) Each player with 0 points recieves 4 extra score points.
c) If there was a prophet when the round ended, the prophet recieves 1 extra score point for each accepted proposal and 2 extra score points for each rejected proposal during his term as prophet.
d) God recieves the smaller of the best players score or 2 times the number of proposals submitted after the creation of the current prophet.
- When a player submits a proposal that is accepted, that player may declare themself to the prophet with the following restrictions:
a) A player may not become prophet if there is a current prophet.
b) A player must declare his prophet status at the time he submits his proposal (IE: he must demonstrate he has a rudimentary idea of the contents of the secret rule)
- When a player is prophet, he no longer gains or loses points for each proposal and may not submit proposals. Instead he predicts whether or not God will accept or reject each proposal. If the prophet predicts incorrectly, the prophet is overthrown and recieves a 5 point penalty and becomes a player again. The proposal (or series of proposals) which was predicted incorrectly is scored for the submitting player as if they were accepted regardless of their actual disposition.
- God must create one round specific rule at the beginning of the round which would be legal according to the rules.
- If during the game there is felt a need to change any
Meta rule, it can be accomplished as follows. One of the
players may publically suggest the change, and the current
body of players may approve or disapprove the change to the ruleset. The change is considered approved if 60% of the
players who voted, voted for the change, and if at least
50% of the current players voted (IE, quorum and majority
must be achieved). If 50% of the current players have not
voted within 7 days, then the change is not approved.
Round Meta Rules
- The God for the first round is jtraub@dragoncat.net
- A turn will occur each Tuesday and Friday.
- When the God submits his judgement for a turn, he may include one rule to be added to the Round Rules. This rule must be such that it would be legal had it been proposed by a player through normal means.
Secret Rule
- This rule is unknown to the players.
Game Rules
- God will create this rule at the beginning of the round.
Final Rules
[Intro] [Initial / Final] [Proposals] [Player Info] [Secret Rule]
Game Rules
- The player who is the scorekeeper shall also be known as the Spelling Bee. This player has the right to reword proposals to fix egregious spelling errors if the correct word is obvious. The Bee may make no other types of changes to the rules.
- All players when they join (and all existing players) are given 20 Stars.
A player may spend 5 stars to attempt to Grok the Secret.
A player may only attempt to Grok the Secret once each turn.
A player may not attempt to Grok the Secret if they have less than 5 Stars.
Grokking is performed as follows:
- Any player wishing to Grok must submit privately to the God a statement which is unambiguous, makes a statement about the Secret rule and is possible to answer with a True or False.
- When God posts the judgement for proposals during a turn, he will post all players who attempted to Grok during that turn and the word TRUE, FALSE, or ILLEGAL next to each one. He will *not* post the statements that they submitted.
- A player who attempted to Grok during that turn and the judgement was FALSE or ILLEGAL shall lose 5 Stars. A player who attempted to Grok and the judgement was TRUE shall lose no Stars. (amended by Proposal 16)
When a player has a proposal accepted as a rule they gain 2 Stars.
- All players exist in the game of Eleusis Nomic as Dieties (not GOD so this doesn't conflict w/that rule). Each player should submit to the scorekeeper a description of themselves as a Diety and an explanation of what they are a Diety of (of War, of SPAM, of 12 monkeys and a fish, etc)
Game Meta Rules
- Each game will have a Scorekeeper whos duty is to maintain the web pages, and update the proposals, rules, and other relavant game state
in a timely fashion. The scorekeeper for this game is Joel Ricker (joejava@dragoncat.net), but should be referred to as Joe Java.
- A new player may join the game at any time by informing the Scorekeeper via email of their desire to do so.
- Each round has a God who creates one secret rule at the beginning of the round.
- The winner of the previous round is God for the next round.
- The God may not change during the round.
- The winner of the game is the player with the highest score at the end of all rounds.
- Each round consists of turns. During each turn, each player may submit one proposal (or series of proposals)
- A player submits a proposal (or series of proposals) by sending them via email to the Scorekeeper.
- No rule may be created which makes further play impossible.
- No proposed rule may alter, repeal or create any Meta rule (except as specified in the Eleusis Meta Rule 11), but may impose further restrictions. For example, a proposal to change the number of points required to end the round to -20 would be rejected, but imposing the creation of a gameboard and a specific room which must be occupied while having 0 points would be legal (assuming it was legal by all other rules).
- To preserve the Scorekeeper's sanity, all proposals for a turn must be submitted before 5 PM PST on the day the turn ends, the prophet's predictions must be submitted before 5 PM PST on the following day, and God's acceptance or rejection must be submitted by 5 PM PST on the second day following.
Eleusis Meta Rules
- All players begin the game with a score of 0. A new player upon joining the game will start with a score of 0.
- Each player begins the Round with 14 points
- The round ends when one (or more) players reach 0 points during a turn.
- Upon the end of a round, all Game Rules and the current Secret Rule are repealed, leaving a pristine slate of only the Meta Rules for the next round. Any game attributes not described by the Meta Rules are removed as well.
- A proposal will be accepted if it meets the following criteria and rejected otherwise:
- The proposal is legal according to the rules in existance at that time.
- The proposal does not create a rule which duplicates (in the
judgement of the God for the Round) any existing rule.
- When a player has a proposal accepted, that player recieves -1 point.
- When a player has a proposal rejected, that player recieves 2 points.
- A player may submit up to four proposals simultaneously, however, if any proposal in the series is rejected, all proposals in the series are rejected, with the appropriate consequences.
- When a round ends, score is tallied as follows:
a) Each player recieves the difference between their point total and the highest point total of all players for that round in score points.
b) Each player with 0 points recieves 4 extra score points.
c) If there was a prophet when the round ended, the prophet recieves 1 extra score point for each accepted proposal and 2 extra score points for each rejected proposal during his term as prophet.
d) God recieves the smaller of the best players score or 2 times the number of proposals submitted after the creation of the current prophet.
- When a player submits a proposal that is accepted, that player may declare themself to the prophet with the following restrictions:
a) A player may not become prophet if there is a current prophet.
b) A player must declare his prophet status at the time he submits his proposal (IE: he must demonstrate he has a rudimentary idea of the contents of the secret rule)
- When a player is prophet, he no longer gains or loses points for each proposal and may not submit proposals. Instead he predicts whether or not God will accept or reject each proposal. If the prophet predicts incorrectly, the prophet is overthrown and recieves a 5 point penalty and becomes a player again. The proposal (or series of proposals) which was predicted incorrectly is scored for the submitting player as if they were accepted regardless of their actual disposition.
- God must create one round specific rule at the beginning of the round which would be legal according to the rules.
- If during the game there is fealt to be need to change any Meta rule, it can be accomplished as follows. One of the players may publically suggest the change, and the current body of players may approve or disapprove the change to the ruleset. The change is considered approved if 60% of the players who voted, voted for the change, and if at least 50% of the current players voted (IE, quorum and majority must be achieved). If 50% of the current players have not voted within 7 days, then the change is not approved.
Round Meta Rules
- The God for the first round is JT (jtraub@dragoncat.net)
- A turn will occur each Tuesday and Friday.
- When the God submits his judgement for a turn, he may include one rule to be added to the Round Rules. This rule must be such that it would be legal had it been proposed by a player through normal means.
Secret Rule
- [*SECRET*]
Proposals
[Intro] [Initial / Final] [Proposals] [Player Info] [Secret Rule]
Proposal 1 / Turn 1 (Tivol)
Proposal: An object known as The Beach Ball exists, and it can be in the sole possession of either God, a prophet, or a player. Initially, the Beach Ball is owned by God.
Once per turn, a player or prophet who does not own the Beach Ball may suggest to God one rule change she might want to execute (as sanctioned by Game Meta Rule 11). Once per turn, God can transfer possession of the Beach Ball from its current owner to another player or prophet, preferably based on the merits of his suggestion; it is especially recommended that God make the rule change last
proposed by the final owner of the Beach Ball.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 2 / Turn 1 (Joe Java)
Proposal: There exists a form of currency called the Imp. A player is given 20 Imps when they join the game.
All current players get a one time pay-off of 20 Imps.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 3 / Turn 2 (Joe Java)
Proposal: The number 20 is considered "The Magic Number"
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 4 / Turn 2 (Tivol)
Proposal: All objects must be colored in precisely one of the following five shades: auburn, beige, chestnut, dun, or ecru.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 5 / Turn 3 (Mary)
Proposal: A player may declare emself to be private or public by alerting the scorekeeper. If a player is public, eir e-mail address is posted publicly in the player document.
The Scorekeeper and GOD are always public.
A player can ally with another player by each informing the Scorekeeper separately.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 6 / Turn 3 (Joe Java)
On acceptance of this Proposal, I declare myself a Prophet.
Proposal: All objects must be colored in a shade of the following: auburn, beige, chestnut, dun, or ecru.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 7 / Turn 3 (Rico)
Proposal: The player known as Rico has the power to amend, repeal, or create any Rule in any way, unilaterally.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/Game Meta Rule 10 and secret rule)
Proposal 8 / Turn 3 (Tivol)
Proposal: Please create a new rule which reads "The number 20 is considered `The Magic Number'." Please read this second sentence, but don't alter the ruleset based on anything it says.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 9 / Turn 4 (Rico)
Proposal: This Rule does not conflict with the Secret Rule. This Rule takes precedence over the Secret Rule where there is a conflict.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 10 / Turn 4 (Joe Java)
Title: Wanna-be Gods
Proposal: All players exist in the game of Eleusis Nomic as Dieties (not GOD so this doesn't conflict w/that rule). Each player should submit to the scorekeeper a description of themselves as a Diety and an explanation of what they are a Diety of (of War, of SPAM, of 12 monkeys and a fish, etc)
Decision: ACCEPTED!
Proposal 11 / Turn 4 (Tivol)
Proposal: This proposal is titled "Five Colors III". If accepted, it will create a rule which reads "All objects must be colored in a shade of the following: auburn, beige, chestnut, dun, or ecru."
If this proposal is accepted, I would like to become a prophet.
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 12 / Turn 4 (Head Apollo)
Proposal: create a new rule with the following $$$ delimited text :
$$$
God has six arms.
$$$
Decision: Rejected (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 13 / Turn 5 (Joe Java)
Title: Far Away Land
Proposal: The land of Eleusis exists in a far away place (but simulataneously around the corner). The land of Eleusis is roughly pie shapped, with an ocean surrounding it. In the center of Eleusis sits the great Mt. Eruptus, a currently dormant volcano.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 14 / Turn 5 (Rico)
Title: God, a Dog
Proposal: If a Proposal is accepted whose entire text, not including the title, is palindromic, the submitter shall lose 5 points.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 15 / Turn 6 (Joe Java)
Title: Scam Time!
Proposal: All players exist in the game of Eleusis Nomic as Dieties (not GOD so this doesn't conflict w/that rule). Each player should submit to the scorekeeper a description of themselves as a Diety and an explanation of what they are a Diety of (of War, of SPAM, of 12 monkeys and a fish, etc)
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 16 / Turn 7 [Grok: FALSE] (Jim Huggins)
Proposal: A player who receives a TRUE response from GOD due to an attempt at Grokking shall lose no Stars.
Decision: Accepted! (amends Game Rule 2)
Proposal 17 / Turn 8 (Joe Java)
Title: It pays to play
Proposal: If a player submits a proposal or group of proposals on two consecutive turns, they receive 1 stars.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 18 / Turn 9 (Joe Java)
Title:
Proposal: The Island of Eleusis contains a population of 10000 people, the total of which is called the Agnostic Pool. Each player starts the game with 100 Loyal Worshippers and these are taken out of the Agnostic Pool.
On the passing of this proposal, Each current player receives 100 Loyal Worshippers and this sentence is then deleted.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 19 / Turn 9 [GROK: FALSE] (Jim Huggins)
Proposal: At the end of a round, any players which have not had a proposal accepted in that round shall have their scores reset to 14 points.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 20 / Turn 10 (Head)
Proposal: There are 25 spheres in Eleusis Nomic. These spheres are arranged in a five by five grid. Spheres have an associated set of grid coordinates. The coordinates of any given sphere are (x,y) where x indicates the column number and y the row number such that the bottom-left sphere is (1,1). A sphere may be one of the following colours : red, yellow, blue, black, or tartan. (This tartan shall be specifically the tartan of the Logan clan.) At first, all spheres are coloured red. If a proposal fails, the player who submitted that proposal may pick one sphere and change that sphere's colour to any of the legal colours. If a player changes a sphere's colour so that it forms a row or column of identically coloured squares, provided that the row or column in question does not consist entirely of red spheres, that player gains five stars. A player may change a sphere's colour only once per failed proposal.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Grok: TRUE / Turn 10 (Jim Huggins)
Grok: TRUE/ Turn 12 (Jim Huggins)
Proposal 21 / Turn 14 (Rico)
Title: Blatant Plagiarism
All persons more than a mile high to leave the court.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Proposal 22 / Turn 14 (Joe Java
Title: American Grafitti
There exists a wall in the Town Square where Eleusis players may post messages. Messages will be submitted to the Scorekeeper and posted on-line in connection with other Eleusis documents.
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/Secret Rule)
Grok: TRUE / Turn 14 (Jim Huggins)
Grok: FALSE / Turn 15 (Joe Java)
Grok: TRUE / Turn 16 (Jim Huggins)
Proposal 23 / Turn 16 [Grok: FALSE] (Head)
Amend game rule 1 by appending the following LOOPHOLE delimited text :
LOOPHOLE
If this sentence exists, the player known as Head immediately loses all points he may have so that his score becomes zero (ie 0).
LOOPHOLE
Decision: Denied (conflicts w/secret rule)
Grok: TRUE / Turn 17 (Jim Huggins)
Grok: TRUE / Turn 20 (Jim Huggins)
Comment from GOD: I read 'a' as 'at least one', not 'only one'.
Grok: TRUE / Turn 21 [Lost track of turns so this is what I'll call it *s* -- JJ] (Jim Huggins)
Grok: FALSE?!?! / Turn 22 (Jim Huggins)
Player Info
[Intro] [Initial / Final] [Proposals] [Player Info] [Secret Rule]
Joe Java
has 29 points.
has 17 Stars.
is the Scorekeeper.
is the Spelling Bee.
JT
has 20 Stars.
is the current GOD.
Tivol
has 20 Stars.
has 22 points.
Big.Egg
has 14 points.
has 20 Stars.
Jim Huggins
is the Diety of Useless Web-Based Pursuits. I can find the easiest ways to waste all of your time poking around on the web.
has 15 points.
has 10 Stars.
Mary
has 16 points.
has 20 Stars.
Rico
is the Diety of Ultra Slim-Fast. I can cause you to lose 30 pounds in 10 seconds, and I taste good too. You can take one of me for breakfast, one for lunch, and have a normal dinner consisting of three whole turkeys, a bucket of salad, a garbage can full of mashed potatoes and gravy, a truckload of beer, and eat an entire Baskin-Robbins for dessert, and you'll still lose weight, for that is the magic of Ultra Slim-Fast. All hail.
has 22 points.
has 20 Stars.
Head
is the Diety (sic) of Small Occurences of the Word "Frigo". Whenever this word is not overused, Head's large red and white striped, cone-shaped hat emits the following sound : zing ! (tm). Head holds a big yellow stick with which to threaten offenders of the ancient art of pointless word usage. If at anytime he is green, he is orange.
has 20 points.
has 15 Stars.
Secret Rule
[Intro] [Initial / Final] [Proposals] [Player Info] [Secret Rule]
GOD has disclosed the secret rule. It is:
A proposal is legal if:
a) it does not specify the public revelation of any portion of this rule and the text (not title) of the proposal either:
1) contains any of the words 'harf', 'frink', 'grok' or 'spam' (or some form of those words).
2) contains the name of an animal or reference to some animalistic trait.