RE: [nbo] Proposal Marsh.1, Marsh.2

["Dickens, David" <David.Dickens@pepperdine.edu>]

I'm afraid I must call for judgment.

Tom Ogas, would you be prepared to answer the following as true, false or
null.

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VotingDefinition (Law 2.3), says, and I quote, "Players have 4 days from the
date the Proposal was Published, with which to Vote on the Proposal;"  which
implies that no proposal can be Ratified until 4 days have passed from it
being Published.
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For reference: Rule 2.5, "A Proposal is Ratified, if it receives the
necessary number of For Votes as indicated by the RuleSet within the time
allowed to by the RuleSet;"... Thus I am suggesting that the RuleSet
"allows" 4 days via Law 2.3.

Editorial note:
BTW, the "loophole" to give points is there on purpose so that if the Nomic
wanted to "reward" some nifty player it could, but it couldn't hurt.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Marsh [mailto:dmarsh3000@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:14 PM
To: notbob-official@nomic.net
Subject: [nbo] Proposal Marsh.1, Marsh.2


As it is 12:11 AM EDT, Thursday, May 2, I submit the following, as the first

proposals of the game:

I am taking advantage of a loophole, and then closing it.  My first Nomic 
scam: Isn't this fun?

Proposal Marsh.1:
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Create a new Law entitled "NomicGate", with the following text: "Upon
ratification of this Law, Dan Marsh shall be awarded fifty (50) 
points.  This law shall then have no further effect."
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Now: by Law 2.4, I am automatically recorded as having voted FOR this 
proposal.  So the vote is currently 1 FOR, 0 AGAINST.  Article A4 states 
that a Law is Ratified if it received more votes FOR than AGAINST, which has

happened.  Law 2.5 states that a Proposal is ratified if it receives the 
proper number of votes FOR.  And, finally, Law 2.6 stated that a Ratified 
Proposal immediately becomes Law and enters the ruleset.  Article A2.6 only 
disallows -penalizing- a player, so, by my reasoning, this Law immediately 
takes effect.  (I don't count any other points for myself, unless I missed 
something.)

Since the above proposal is immediately ratified, I can introduce another.

Proposal Marsh.2
Section 5 of Law 2 (VotingDefinition) is hereby amended by adding the 
following text:
"however, a Proposal shall not be Ratified until at least twenty-four hours 
have passed since its publication, unless all players have voted;"

By the same reasoning as above, this also immediately passes.  I still count

that I get zero points off it, unless I've missed something.

DM







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