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| 136 |
From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 1999 12:50pm
Subject: deNomic Sv: Election of Police Officer
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> Seeing that we have no set procedure for electing Officers, I hereby
declare
> all Players candidates for the Office of Punishment.
> The ballot for next distribution will contain as one of the items
'Election
> of Police Officer'.
> The possible votes on this subject are: Ole, Kira, Rune, Martin.
>
> Ole
If anyone but Kira is elected, we face the problem that the police officer
cannot hold any other offices.
R.
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| 137 |
From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Tue Jul 6, 1999 11:55am
Subject: deNomic Vegetable payments
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Tomorrow, the Agricultural Foundation shall pay the salaries earned since
the 23rd of June. This amounts to:
Ole: 4 (as Speaker during 4 votes)
Rune: 2 (1 for becoming Zeitgeist, 1 as Officer of Agriculture)
Also, one vegetable is grown for the Foundation.
R.
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| 138 |
From: Ole Andersen <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Tue Jul 6, 1999 3:44pm
Subject: deNomic Re: Game State Document, 04.07.1999
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Rune wrote:
: > +-Scorekeeper's Report------------------------------------+
: > | 505 Ole gains 10 points, Rune gains 1 point |
: > | 506 Rune gains 10 points and becomes |
: > | Zeitgeist |
: > | 507 Rune gains 10 points |
: > | Players: |
: > | Rune 8 points |
:
: I had -12 points the last time. Since then I have also made a judgment
: (CFJ24, gaining me 10 points), so I ought to have 19 points now.
You have 9 points.
You need to make a _valid_ judgement. Since valid is rather undefined
regarding judgements, you haven't made a _valid_ judgement.
Ole
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| 139 |
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Date: Tue Jul 6, 1999 6:36pm
Subject: deNomic Appointment of Judge, CFJ 26
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| 140 |
From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Tue Jul 6, 1999 7:44pm
Subject: deNomic Re: Sv: Game State Document, 04.07.1999
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> Rune wrote:
>
>
> : > +-Scorekeeper's Report------------------------------------+
> : > | 505 Ole gains 10 points, Rune gains 1 point |
> : > | 506 Rune gains 10 points and becomes |
> : > | Zeitgeist |
> : > | 507 Rune gains 10 points |
> : > | Players: |
> : > | Rune 8 points |
> :
> : I had -12 points the last time. Since then I have also made a judgment
> : (CFJ24, gaining me 10 points), so I ought to have 19 points now.
>
> You have 9 points.
>
> You need to make a _valid_ judgement. Since valid is rather undefined
> regarding judgements, you haven't made a _valid_ judgement.
>
>
> Ole
Are you saying that all "undecided" judgments are invalid? Or that no
judgments at all are valid until "valid" has been defined?
R.
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| 141 |
From: Ole Andersen <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Tue Jul 6, 1999 8:28pm
Subject: deNomic Re: Sv: Game State Document, 04.07.1999
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Rune wrote:
:
: Are you saying that all "undecided" judgments are invalid? Or that no
: judgments at all are valid until "valid" has been defined?
:
I say that 'valid' is undefined with regards to judgements.
The opposite of 'valid' should be 'invalid', and an 'invalid' judgement
could be a judgement that was overturned or (with Rule 486) decided by
TSBITU.
Ole
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| 142 |
From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Wed Jul 7, 1999 10:47am
Subject: deNomic New CFJs on validity of judgments
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Ole wrote:
>>>You need to make a _valid_ judgement. Since valid is rather undefined
>>>regarding judgements, you haven't made a _valid_ judgement.
Rune wrote:
>>Are you saying that all "undecided" judgments are invalid? Or that no
>>judgments at all are valid until "valid" has been defined?
Ole wrote:
> I say that 'valid' is undefined with regards to judgements.
> The opposite of 'valid' should be 'invalid', and an 'invalid' judgement
> could be a judgement that was overturned or (with Rule 486) decided by
> TSBITU.
It seems to be a matter of getting a game custom established as to when a
judgment is valid. To facilitate this process, I make the following three
calls for judgment:
1:
"No judgments are valid."
2:
"Judgments of 'undecided' may be valid."
3:
"Rune's judgment on CFJ 24 is valid."
R.
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| 143 |
From: Ole Andersen <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Wed Jul 7, 1999 9:53pm
Subject: deNomic Re: Vegetable payments
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You forgot to add the 100 % VAT.
Ole
----- Original Message -----
From: Rune Kock zarquon@t...
To: deNomic denomic@egroups.com
Sent: 6. juli 1999 13:55
Subject: deNomic Vegetable payments
: Tomorrow, the Agricultural Foundation shall pay the salaries earned since
: the 23rd of June. This amounts to:
:
: Ole: 4 (as Speaker during 4 votes)
: Rune: 2 (1 for becoming Zeitgeist, 1 as Officer of Agriculture)
:
: Also, one vegetable is grown for the Foundation.
:
: R.
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| 144 |
From: the Speaker <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Wed Jul 7, 1999 10:15pm
Subject: deNomic Distribution of Proposals (& Election), 07.07.1999
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+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Transmute 109 508 11.05. 07:28 |
| No Protos Package pack509-510 11.05. 07:28 |
| Quorum Package pack511-512 05.07. 00:01 |
| Transmute 204 513 06.07. 14:06 |
| Election of Police Officer |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Ole-----------------------------------------------------+
| Transmute 109 508 11.05. 07:28 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
Transmute Rule 476 (original Rule 109, misnumbered 475)
+-Ole-----------------------------------------------------+
| No Protos Package pack509-510 11.05. 07:28 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
I propose the deletion of all references to Protoproposals, namely:
1) Amend 223:
Amend the sentence:
"Each Player has a Proposal Queue, consisting of Proposals, Protoproposals
and Packages, collectively known as Queue Entries."
to have this wording:
"Each Player has a Proposal Queue, consisting of Proposals and Packages,
collectively known as Queue Entries."
2) Repeal 330
+-Rune----------------------------------------------------+
| Quorum Package pack511-512 05.07. 00:01 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
I propose this "Quorum package", containing two amendments:
I propose to change rule 303 from:
"Quorum
Quorum is defined to be 30% of the players. Voters who are not players do
not count for the purpose of determining quorum."
To:
"Quorum
Quorum is defined to be 30% of the players. However, a quorum cannot be
less than 3 players. Voters who are not players do not count for the
purpose of determining quorum."
Also, I propose to change rule 477 from:
"The Prescribed Voting Period
The prescribed voting period begins the moment the proposal has
been distributed. The voting period ends when the next Turn begins, unless
the period would then be less than 48 hours. In the latter case, the
voting period is extended by one full Turn."
To:
"The Prescribed Voting Period
The prescribed voting period begins the moment the proposal has
been distributed. The voting period ends when the next Turn begins, unless
the period would then be less than 48 hours, or unless no quorum has been
established. In these cases, the voting period is extended by one full
Turn."
+-Rune----------------------------------------------------+
| Transmute 204 513 06.07. 14:06 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
I propose to make rule 204 immutable:
"One Voter One Vote
Each Voter has exactly one vote."
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Election of Police Officer |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
The candidates are:
Ole
Kira
Rune
Martin
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| 145 |
From: the Speaker <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Wed Jul 7, 1999 10:25pm
Subject: deNomic Game State Document, 07.07.1999
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The Game State Document consists of:
+-Scorekeeper's Report**
+-Silo Manager's Report*
+-Herald's Report*
+-Distributor's Report*
+-Rulekeeper's Report
+-Court Usher's Report*
+-Addresskeeper's Report
+-Timekeeper's Report
*) updates
**) omissions
+-Scorekeeper's Report------------------------------------+
| Past winners: |
| Kira won game 1 with 101 points |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Players: |
| Ole 37 points |
| Kira 20 points |
| Rune 9 points |
| Martin 2 points |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Total number of points: 68 points |
| Average number of points: 17,00 points |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Non-Player Voters: |
| Cult of the Ant: 2/3 Vote |
| TOO-BAD: 2/3 Vote |
| The Treehouse Club: 1/3 Vote |
| The Gnomes of Zurich: 1/3 Vote |
| The Nullity: As many Votes as there |
| are zeros in the Prop number |
| Ants ##5,6,7,8,9,10: 1 Vote each |
| Office of Streaking: 10 Votes (after 507) |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Streak Number |
| 505 0 |
| 506 +6 6 |
| 507 +4 10 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Silo Manager's Report-----------------------------------+
| Players: |
| Ole: 8 Vegetables |
| Rune: 3 Vegetable |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Corporations: |
| The Gnomes of Zurich: 5 Vegetables |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Agricultural Foundation: |
| 22 Vegetables prior to today |
| +1 Vegetable grown |
| -6 Vegetables paid (4 to Ole, 2 to Rune) |
| == |
| 17 Vegetables |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Payments due: |
| Agricultural Foundation to Ole: 17 Vegetables |
| Agricultural Foundation to Kira: 3 Vegetables |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Payments due (VAT): |
| Agricultural Foundation to Ole: 4 Vegetables |
| Agricultural Foundation to Rune: 2 Vegetables |
| Ole to Agricultural Foundation: 2 Vegetables |
| Rune to Agricultural Foundation: 1 Vegetable |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Payments made: |
| Agricultural Foundation to Ole: 4 Vegetables |
| Agricultural Foundation to Rune: 2 Vegetable |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Total number of Player-owned Vegetables: 11 |
| Total number of Corporation-owned Vegetables: 5 |
| Total number of Foundation-owned Vegetables: 17 |
| Total number of Vegetables: 33 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Tax Shares: |
| Wealth Tax: 0% |
| Income Tax: 0% |
| Poll Tax: 0 Vegetables |
| Value Added Tax: 100% |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Herald's Report-----------------------------------------+
| Officers: |
| Officer of Agriculture: Rune |
| Monsanto Man: Rune |
| Streaker: Martin |
| Police Officer: election bagun |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Organisations: |
| Cult of the Ant |
| Rune, Ole |
| |
| Teosophy of Overly Objective |
| Bandits And Dreamers (TOO-BAD) |
| Rune, Kira |
| |
| The Treehouse Club Of The Immensely Enlightened |
| Paragons Of Humanity Who Recognize Aeshna |
| As The Supreme Being In The Universe |
| Kira (The Supreme Being In The Universe) |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Corporations: |
| The Gnomes of Zurich |
| Ole |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Silly Players: |
| -none- |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Titles: |
| Zeitgeist: |
| Rune |
| |
| Insistance Points: |
| Ole: 3 Insistance Points |
| Prophets: |
| -none- |
| (except the Martyr) |
| Martyr: |
| Rune |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Positions: |
| Speaker: Ole |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Distributor's Report------------------------------------+
+-Distributed now-----------------------------------------+
| Transmute 109 508 11.05. 07:28 |
| No Protos Package pack509-510 11.05. 07:28 |
| Quorum Package pack511-512 05.07. 00:01 |
| Transmute 204 513 06.07. 14:06 |
| Election of Police Officer |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Next available proposal number: 514 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Proposal Queues: In Queue Since: |
| |
| Ole: (18 entries) |
| Anti-Ant Package 11.05. 07:28 |
| Repeal 395 11.05. 07:28 |
| Rule Change Package 11.05. 07:28 |
| Elected Offices 11.05. 07:28 |
| Calvinball 13.05. 17:21 |
| Landslide 14.05. 04:40 |
| Amend 334 16.05. 21:55 |
| Communications 16.05. 22:00 |
| Amend 402 17.05. 06:13 |
| Counsel for the Prosecution 17.05. 08:37 |
| Throwing Vegetables at People 18.05. 07:25 |
| Transmute 350 23.05. 08:00 |
| Amend 350 23.05. 08:00 |
| Parallel Tracks 23.05. 08:00 |
| Transmute 350 23.05. 08:00 |
| Transmute 111 23.05. 08:00 |
| Amend 111 23.05. 08:00 |
| Transmute 111 23.05. 08:00 |
| |
| Kira: |
| -no entries- |
| |
| Rune: |
| -no entries- |
| |
| Martin: |
| -no entries- |
| |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Rulekeeper's Report-------------------------------------+
| Added Rules 504, 505, 506 and 507 to the Ruleset |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Posted the current Ruleset to denomic-rules@egroups.com |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Court Usher's Report------------------------------------+
| Voluntary Judges: |
| Rune, Ole, Kira |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Active CFJs: |
| 24 'The agriculture officer can choose not to honor the |
| debts of the foundation.' |
| -Called by Kira |
| -Rune appointed as Judge |
| -Rune judged UNDECIDED |
| -Kira must (per Rule 486) judge the case no later |
| than a week from this message |
| |
| 25 'The Agricultural Foundation must pay 17 Vegetables |
| to Ole and 3 Vegetables to Kira.' |
| -Called by Ole |
| -Rune appointed as Judge |
| -Rune judged UNDECIDED |
| -Kira must (per Rule 486) judge the case no later |
| than a week from this message |
| |
| 26 "When rule 473 says '...salaries are to be paid on |
| Wednesdays' this means that salaries must be paid |
| on the first Wednesday after being earned." |
| -Called by Rune |
| -Kira appointed as Judge |
| -Kira must judge the case no later |
| than 13.07. 20:14 |
| |
| 27 "No judgments are valid." |
| -Called by Rune |
| |
| 28 "Judgments of 'undecided' may be valid." |
| -Called by Rune |
| |
| 29 "Rune's judgment on CFJ 24 is valid." |
| -Called by Rune |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Decided CFJs: |
| 23 "Rune shall not lose any points related to the |
| defeat of proposal 419 and 420" |
| -Kira judged FALSE |
| -Kira earned 3 Vegetables |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Next available CFJ number: 30 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Addresskeeper's Report----------------------------------+
| Players: |
| Ole Andersen, palnatoke@g... |
| Kira Tendal, aeshna@g... |
| Rune Kock, rune@i... |
| Martin P. Jensen, mpj@c... |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| E-mail adresses of the game: |
| 1) denomic@egroups.com |
| 2) denomic-propqueue@egroups.com |
| 3) denomic-vote@egroups.com |
| 4) calvinball@egroups.com |
| 5) denomic-rules@egroups.com |
| 6) denomic-dice@egroups.com |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Timekeeper's Report-------------------------------------+
| Time schedule: |
| Sunday 08:00 Beginning of new Turn (end of vote) |
| Monday Monsanto Time |
| Tuesday Streak Mode Switching Time |
| Wednesday Distribution Time (beginning of vote) |
| Wednesday Harvest Time |
| Thursday Tithing Time |
| Thursday 20:00 Taxation Announcement Time (latest) |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
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Subject: deNomic Appointment of Judge, CFJ 27, 28, 29
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From: Ole Andersen <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 1999 9:56am
Subject: deNomic Judgement, CFJ 28
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I find
: # 28: "Judgments of 'undecided' may be valid."
FALSE.
If I had stated TRUE (or even worse UNDECIDED), we would have no new
knowledge.
If an UNDECIDED Judgement _may_be_ valid, we don't know if it is. We only
know that it has the potential.
I say that UNDECIDED Judgements _can_not_ be valid. Whether or not TRUE or
FALSE Judgements can be valid, is outside the scope of this Judgement.
Ole
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From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 1999 4:40pm
Subject: deNomic Sv: Judgement, CFJ 28
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> I find
>
> : # 28: "Judgments of 'undecided' may be valid."
>
> FALSE.
>
> If I had stated TRUE (or even worse UNDECIDED), we would have no new
> knowledge.
>
> If an UNDECIDED Judgement _may_be_ valid, we don't know if it is. We only
> know that it has the potential.
>
> I say that UNDECIDED Judgements _can_not_ be valid. Whether or not TRUE or
> FALSE Judgements can be valid, is outside the scope of this Judgement.
>
> Ole
I propose that this judgment be overturned.
Some statements cannot reasonably be answered as true or false. (Comparable
to the classic question of: 'Have you stopped beating your wife?'). In such
a case, 'undecided' is the correct judgment. Therefore, it is my opinion
that some judgments of 'undecided' are valid.
R.
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From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Thu Jul 8, 1999 5:43pm
Subject: deNomic Re: Sv: Vegetable payments
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> You forgot to add the 100 % VAT.
>
>
> Ole
| Payments due (VAT): |
| Agricultural Foundation to Ole: 4 Vegetables |
| Agricultural Foundation to Rune: 2 Vegetables |
| Ole to Agricultural Foundation: 2 Vegetables |
| Rune to Agricultural Foundation: 1 Vegetable |
VAT on payments from the Foundation cannot result in different amounts from
the foundation than to the foundation. These payments will always be equal.
As the VAT payments in these cases cancel each other out, we could just
ignore them -- but you are right that it's unclear whether that is allowed.
Rule 478, vegetable taxation, says:
"The Officer of Agriculture may once a Turn tax the Players for Vegetables.
[...]
4) Value Added Tax, being a share to be added to every Vegetable
transaction duuring the Turn. [...]"
The first sentence only mentions taxation of _players_. However, the VAT
description says that it applies to _every_ transaction.
Perhaps the correct interpretation is that only players can be taxed, but
that VAT must still be added to the transaction, and thus be paid by the
player, without affecting the amount that the foundation pays.
Consequently, with a 100% VAT, the players should pay their entire salary
back to the foundation.
R.
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From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Sat Jul 10, 1999 11:23am
Subject: deNomic Re: Sv: Sv: Vegetable payments
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My position as agricultural officer is that V.A.T. does not apply to
payments from or to the agricultural foundation.
Should anyone disagree, I suggest that they make a CFJ.
R.
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Fra: Rune Kock zarquon@t...
Til: denomic@egroups.com
Sendt: 8. juli 1999 19:43
Emne: deNomic Re: Sv: Vegetable payments
> > You forgot to add the 100 % VAT.
> >
> >
> > Ole
>
> | Payments due (VAT): |
> | Agricultural Foundation to Ole: 4 Vegetables |
> | Agricultural Foundation to Rune: 2 Vegetables |
> | Ole to Agricultural Foundation: 2 Vegetables |
> | Rune to Agricultural Foundation: 1 Vegetable |
>
> VAT on payments from the Foundation cannot result in different amounts
from
> the foundation than to the foundation. These payments will always be
equal.
> As the VAT payments in these cases cancel each other out, we could just
> ignore them -- but you are right that it's unclear whether that is
allowed.
>
> Rule 478, vegetable taxation, says:
>
> "The Officer of Agriculture may once a Turn tax the Players for
Vegetables.
> [...]
> 4) Value Added Tax, being a share to be added to every Vegetable
> transaction duuring the Turn. [...]"
>
> The first sentence only mentions taxation of _players_. However, the VAT
> description says that it applies to _every_ transaction.
>
> Perhaps the correct interpretation is that only players can be taxed, but
> that VAT must still be added to the transaction, and thus be paid by the
> player, without affecting the amount that the foundation pays.
> Consequently, with a 100% VAT, the players should pay their entire salary
> back to the foundation.
>
> R.
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