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| 121 |
From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Wed Jun 23, 1999 8:56pm
Subject: deNomic Sv: Distribution of Proposals, 23.06.1999
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Comments on the "Streaker" proposal:
If just the Streaker gets a good start on a streak, his streak number will
be ever increasing, as his own votes make sure that there will be quite a
lot of surplus votes. And while the hot streak may end if a proposal fails
to get quorum, a cold streak will never end.
So I find that the Streaker is way to powerful.
R.
> +---------------------------------------------------------+
> | The Streaker 505 11.05. 07:28 |
> +---------------------------------------------------------+
> I propose this new rule:
>
> "The Streaker
>
>
> The Streaker holds the Office of Streaking.
> The Streaker is appointed randomly among the Players.
> The Streaker is either in Neutral Mode, Hot Mode, or Cold Mode, defaulting
> to Neutral Mode.
> The Streaker may switch Mode once each Tuesday.
>
> There is a number, known as the Streak Number.
> Initially, the Streak Number is 0 (zero).
> When The Streaker switches Mode, the Streak Number is set to 0 (zero).
>
> The number of surplus votes on a given proposal is the number of votes on
> the winning side, that could have been abstentions instead, without
changing
> the result of the voting.
>
> When a proposal is adopted, the number of surplus votes is added to the
> Streak Number, the result being the new value of the Streak Number.
>
> When a proposal is defeated, the number of surplus votes is deducted from
> the Streak Number, the result being the new value of the Streak Number.
>
> If The Streaker is in Hot Mode, he/she may perform a Hot Streak.
> If The Streaker is in Cold Mode, he/she may perform a Cold Streak.
>
> A Hot or Cold Streak must be announced on a Thursday.
>
> While performing a Streak, the Office of Streaking casts a number of votes
> equal to the absolute value of the Streak Number. Those votes are
considered
> cast immediately prior to the end of the voting period.
>
> During a Hot Streak, the Office of Streaking votes for all proposals with
> all of its votes.
> During a Cold Streak, the Office of Streaking votes against all proposals
> with all of its votes.
>
> A Streak ends the moment the Office of Streaking votes for a defeated
> proposal or against an adopted proposal.
>
> When a Streak ends, The Streaker immediately switches to Neutral Mode."
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From: the Speaker <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 8:15am
Subject: deNomic Game Pause again
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Vi er på Reersø fra lørdag, så:
"deNomic is Paused from Saturday, the 26th of June to Saturday, the 3rd of
July, 0800 hours both days.
This also prolongs the voting period for props 504-507 as well as for CFJ
24."
Ole
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| 123 |
From: Ole Andersen <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Thu Jun 24, 1999 8:11am
Subject: deNomic Re: Sv: Distribution of Proposals, 23.06.1999
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Rune wrote:
: Comments on the "Streaker" proposal:
:
: If just the Streaker gets a good start on a streak, his streak number will
: be ever increasing, as his own votes make sure that there will be quite a
: lot of surplus votes. And while the hot streak may end if a proposal
fails
: to get quorum, a cold streak will never end.
:
: So I find that the Streaker is way to powerful.
By looking at past votings, I see no reason to assume the 'ever increasing'.
Ole
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| 124 |
From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 1:43pm
Subject: deNomic Validity of rules
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Last night some of us talked about what to do if one of the rules was
rejected at the vote but was nevertheless (due to an error by the Speaker)
publicly announced as being accepted.
It is my opinion that we should follow the rule anyway until the time that a
player publicly points out the error and asks to have the rule removed. At
that time, it should be removed immediately. If and only if the player
complains quickly after the "adoption" of the rule, the removal should be
retroactive.
Rune
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| 125 |
From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Fri Jun 25, 1999 1:34pm
Subject: deNomic Judgment on CFJ 24
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> Kira has mad a Call For Judgement on the statement:
>
> 'The agriculture officer can choose not to honor the debts of the
> foundation.'
The judgment is:
UNDECIDED
Comments [partially repeating my earlier letter]
I don't accept that the foundation can have a debt at all. If the salaries
are not paid, that is clearly a breach of the rules, but that is the end of
it; the unpaid salaries don't accumulate as debt.
Therefore, I find it impossible to determine, how the agricultural officer
should act with regards to this undefined concept of "debt".
Rune
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| 126 |
From: Ole Andersen <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Sat Jun 26, 1999 7:16am
Subject: deNomic Re: Judgment on CFJ 24 - new CFJ 25
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Rune wrote:
: > Kira has mad a Call For Judgement on the statement:
: >
: > 'The agriculture officer can choose not to honor the debts of the
: > foundation.'
:
: The judgment is:
:
: UNDECIDED
:
:
: Comments [partially repeating my earlier letter]
:
: I don't accept that the foundation can have a debt at all. If the
salaries
: are not paid, that is clearly a breach of the rules, but that is the end
of
: it; the unpaid salaries don't accumulate as debt.
:
: Therefore, I find it impossible to determine, how the agricultural officer
: should act with regards to this undefined concept of "debt".
Debt is clearly defined. That is what you have if you have an obligation to
pay and you have not paid yet. Since the OoA has the duty to pay salaries,
he will have debt until he pays. Sometimes he only has debt for a couple of
seconds.
The only case which might allow the annulments is according to Rule 480.
This rule prescribes that no payment is made if payment is _impossible_,
which clearly is not the case here.
Since an 'undecided' Judgement cannot be overturned, I make this Statement
to be Judged:
"The Agricultural Foundation must pay 17 Vegetables to Ole and 3 Vegetables
to Kira."
Since we are in a Pause now, the appointed Judge for CFJ 25 has two weeks.
Ole
Ole
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From: the Speaker <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Sat Jun 26, 1999 6:53am
Subject: deNomic Re: Validity of rules
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Rune wrote:
: It is my opinion that we should follow the rule anyway until the time that
a
: player publicly points out the error and asks to have the rule removed.
At
: that time, it should be removed immediately. If and only if the player
: complains quickly after the "adoption" of the rule, the removal should be
: retroactive.
It would be nice if a CFJ was made, if possible before the rule is used.
The statement of the CFJ could be something like "Proposal # has not been
adopted."
Ole
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Subject: deNomic - Selection of Judge, CFJ 25
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From: the Speaker <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 1999 3:54pm
Subject: deNomic Game State Document, 04.07.1999
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The Game State Document consists of:
+-Scorekeeper's Report*
+-Silo Manager's Report*
+-Herald's Report*
+-Distributor's Report*
+-Rulekeeper's Report*
+-Court Usher's Report*
+-Addresskeeper's Report
+-Timekeeper's Report*
*) updates
**) omissions
+-Scorekeeper's Report------------------------------------+
| Voting results: |
| 504 For 7 Against 2 adopted |
| 505 For 5,33 Against 2 adopted |
| 506 For 8 Against 0 adopted |
| 507 For 6 Against 1 adopted |
| |
| 504 Ole gains 10 points |
| 505 Ole gains 10 points, Rune gains 1 point |
| 506 Rune gains 10 points and becomes |
| Zeitgeist |
| 507 Rune gains 10 points |
| Ole (as Speaker) earns 4 Vegetables |
| |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Past winners: |
| Kira won game 1 with 101 points |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Players: |
| Ole 37 points |
| Kira 20 points |
| Rune 8 points |
| Martin 2 points |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Total number of points: 67 points |
| Average number of points: 16,75 points |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Non-Player Voters: |
| Cult of the Ant: 2/3 Vote |
| TOO-BAD: 2/3 Vote |
| The Treehouse Club: 1/3 Vote |
| The Gnomes of Zurich: 1/3 Vote |
| The Nullity: As many Votes as there |
| are zeros in the Prop number |
| Ants ##5,6,7,8,9,10: 1 Vote each |
| Office of Streaking: 10 Votes (after 507) |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Streak Number |
| 505 0 |
| 506 +6 6 |
| 507 +4 10 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Voting details: |
| 504 For Ole, Rune, Cult, Gnomes, Nullity, |
| Ants ##6,7,10 |
| Against Ants ##5,8 |
| 505 For Ole, Gnomes, Nullity, |
| Ants ##5,8,10 |
| Against Rune, Ant #9 |
| 506 For Ole, Rune, Cult, Gnomes, Nullity, |
| Ants ## 5,8,9,10 |
| Against <none> |
| 507 For Ole, Rune, Cult, Gnomes, Nullity, |
| Ants ##5,6 |
| Against Ant #8 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Silo Manager's Report-----------------------------------+
| Players: |
| Ole: 4 Vegetables |
| Rune: 1 Vegetable |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Corporations: |
| The Gnomes of Zurich: 5 Vegetables |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Agricultural Foundation: |
| 22 Vegetables |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Payments due: |
| Agricultural Foundation to Ole: 21 Vegetables |
| Agricultural Foundation to Kira: 3 Vegetables |
| Agricultural Foundation to Rune: 1 Vegetable |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Total number of Player-owned Vegetables: 5 |
| Total number of Corporation-owned Vegetables: 5 |
| Total number of Foundation-owned Vegetables: 22 |
| Total number of Vegetables: 32 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Tax Shares: |
| Wealth Tax: 0% |
| Income Tax: 0% |
| Poll Tax: 0 Vegetables |
| Value Added Tax: 100% |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Herald's Report-----------------------------------------+
| Officers: |
| Officer of Agriculture: Rune |
| Monsanto Man: Rune |
| Streaker: being appointed |
| Police Officer: election due |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Organisations: |
| Cult of the Ant |
| Rune, Ole |
| |
| Teosophy of Overly Objective |
| Bandits And Dreamers (TOO-BAD) |
| Rune, Kira |
| |
| The Treehouse Club Of The Immensely Enlightened |
| Paragons Of Humanity Who Recognize Aeshna |
| As The Supreme Being In The Universe |
| Kira (The Supreme Being In The Universe) |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Corporations: |
| The Gnomes of Zurich |
| Ole |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Silly Players: |
| -none- |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Titles: |
| Zeitgeist: |
| Rune |
| |
| Insistance Points: |
| Ole: 3 Insistance Points |
| Prophets: |
| -none- |
| (except the Martyr) |
| Martyr: |
| Rune |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Positions: |
| Speaker: Ole |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Distributor's Report------------------------------------+
| Next available proposal number: 508 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Proposal Queues: In Queue Since: |
| |
| Ole: (20 entries) |
| Transmute 109 11.05. 07:28 |
| No Protos Package 11.05. 07:28 |
| Anti-Ant Package 11.05. 07:28 |
| Repeal 395 11.05. 07:28 |
| Rule Change Package 11.05. 07:28 |
| Elected Offices 11.05. 07:28 |
| Calvinball 13.05. 17:21 |
| Landslide 14.05. 04:40 |
| Amend 334 16.05. 21:55 |
| Communications 16.05. 22:00 |
| Amend 402 17.05. 06:13 |
| Counsel for the Prosecution 17.05. 08:37 |
| Throwing Vegetables at People 18.05. 07:25 |
| Transmute 350 23.05. 08:00 |
| Amend 350 23.05. 08:00 |
| Parallel Tracks 23.05. 08:00 |
| Transmute 350 23.05. 08:00 |
| Transmute 111 23.05. 08:00 |
| Amend 111 23.05. 08:00 |
| Transmute 111 23.05. 08:00 |
| |
| Kira: |
| -no entries- |
| |
| Rune: |
| -no entries- |
| |
| Martin: |
| -no entries- |
| |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Rulekeeper's Report-------------------------------------+
| Added Rules 504, 505, 506 and 507 to the Ruleset |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Posted the current Ruleset to denomic-rules@egroups.com |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Court Usher's Report------------------------------------+
| Voluntary Judges: |
| Rune, Ole, Kira |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Active CFJs: |
| 24 'The agriculture officer can choose not to honor the |
| debts of the foundation.' |
| -Called by Kira |
| -Rune appointed as Judge |
| -Rune judged UNDECIDED |
| -Kira must (per Rule 486) judge the case no later |
| than a week from this message |
| |
| 25 'The Agricultural Foundation must pay 17 Vegetables |
| to Ole and 3 Vegetables to Kira.' |
| -Called by Ole |
| -Rune appointed as Judge |
| -Rune must judge no later than July 10th, 09:25 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Decided CFJs: |
| 23 "Rune shall not lose any points related to the |
| defeat of proposal 419 and 420" |
| -Kira judged FALSE |
| -Kira earned 3 Vegetables |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Next available CFJ number: 26 |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Addresskeeper's Report----------------------------------+
| Players: |
| Ole Andersen, palnatoke@g... |
| Kira Tendal, aeshna@g... |
| Rune Kock, rune@i... |
| Martin P. Jensen, mpj@c... |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| E-mail adresses of the game: |
| 1) denomic@egroups.com |
| 2) denomic-propqueue@egroups.com |
| 3) denomic-vote@egroups.com |
| 4) calvinball@egroups.com |
| 5) denomic-rules@egroups.com |
| 6) denomic-dice@egroups.com |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+-Timekeeper's Report-------------------------------------+
| Time schedule: |
| Sunday 08:00 Beginning of new Turn (end of vote) |
| Monday Monsanto Time |
| Tuesday Streak Mode Switching Time |
| Wednesday Distribution Time (beginning of vote) |
| Wednesday Harvest Time |
| Thursday Tithing Time |
| Thursday 20:00 Taxation Announcement Time (latest) |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Sun Jul 4, 1999 4:16pm
Subject: deNomic - Appointment of Streaker
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From: the Speaker <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 1999 5:42pm
Subject: deNomic Partial Game State Document, 04.07.1999
|
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The Partial Game State Document consists of:
+-Herald's Report*
*) updates
**) omissions
+-Herald's Report-----------------------------------------+
| Officers: |
| Officer of Agriculture: Rune |
| Monsanto Man: Rune |
| Streaker: Martin |
| Police Officer: election due |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Organisations: |
| Cult of the Ant |
| Rune, Ole |
| |
| Teosophy of Overly Objective |
| Bandits And Dreamers (TOO-BAD) |
| Rune, Kira |
| |
| The Treehouse Club Of The Immensely Enlightened |
| Paragons Of Humanity Who Recognize Aeshna |
| As The Supreme Being In The Universe |
| Kira (The Supreme Being In The Universe) |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Corporations: |
| The Gnomes of Zurich |
| Ole |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Silly Players: |
| -none- |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Titles: |
| Zeitgeist: |
| Rune |
| |
| Insistance Points: |
| Ole: 3 Insistance Points |
| Prophets: |
| -none- |
| (except the Martyr) |
| Martyr: |
| Rune |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
| Positions: |
| Speaker: Ole |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
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From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 1999 8:55pm
Subject: deNomic Judgment on CFJ 25
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"The Agricultural Foundation must pay 17 Vegetables to Ole and 3 Vegetables
to Kira."
My judgment is:
UNDECIDED
Comment:
The sentence to be judged does not make the timing clear. Are we talking
"must pay" as _now_, or some time ago, or perhaps in the future?
Of course, I can guess what is meant by looking at our discussion, and I
find it quite reasonable to take the discussions into consideration when
judging. But only to some extent. The sentence to be judged must still be
unambiguous when it is read by itself.
R.
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From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 1999 8:56pm
Subject: deNomic New CFJ: when are salaries paid?
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To perhaps clear up our ongoing vegetable discussion, I make the following
CFJ:
"When rule 473 says '...salaries are to be paid on Wednesdays' this means
that salaries must be paid on the first Wednesday after being earned."
R.
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From: Rune Kock <zarquon@t...>
Date: Sun Jul 4, 1999 10:01pm
Subject: deNomic Re: Sv: Sv: Distribution of Proposals, 23.06.1999
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> Rune wrote:
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> : Comments on the "Streaker" proposal:
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> : If just the Streaker gets a good start on a streak, his streak number
will
> : be ever increasing, as his own votes make sure that there will be quite
a
> : lot of surplus votes. And while the hot streak may end if a proposal
> fails
> : to get quorum, a cold streak will never end.
> :
> : So I find that the Streaker is way to powerful.
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> By looking at past votings, I see no reason to assume the 'ever
increasing'.
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> Ole
Currently, the streak number is 10. Though the current number means nothing
since the streaker is in neutral mode, it seems likely that a streak number
of, say, -10 could easily be achieved during a cold streak.
Then the streaker casts 10 votes against the next proposal, effectively
ensuring its defeat with some surplus votes. So the streak number might
then become -13. Every proposal will be defeated, and the number of votes
by the streaker will always increase.
This can only end when the streaker decides to switch mode. For the other
players, the game is blocked.
R.
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From: the Speaker <palnatoke@g...>
Date: Mon Jul 5, 1999 8:17am
Subject: deNomic Election of Police Officer
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Seeing that we have no set procedure for electing Officers, I hereby declare
all Players candidates for the Office of Punishment.
The ballot for next distribution will contain as one of the items 'Election
of Police Officer'.
The possible votes on this subject are: Ole, Kira, Rune, Martin.
Ole
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